Time delayed start
Time delayed start
Goddag
Have any of you viking bio owners tried to experiment with the delayed start function?
Currently I am using the maximum delay of 135 minutes. Due to 300l buffertank and 40m2 conrete floor heating we have had no problems yet. Not lacking hot water nor are we freezing, but of course I wonder how it will be come true winter.
But I am keen to learn from other peoples experience, so if You have any please share
Greetings from Denmark
Have any of you viking bio owners tried to experiment with the delayed start function?
Currently I am using the maximum delay of 135 minutes. Due to 300l buffertank and 40m2 conrete floor heating we have had no problems yet. Not lacking hot water nor are we freezing, but of course I wonder how it will be come true winter.
But I am keen to learn from other peoples experience, so if You have any please share
Greetings from Denmark
Regards from Nemo
Denmark (Northern Jutland)
Värmebaronens Pellmax UB w. Viking Bio 20
300l buffertank, 60 Heat Pipes, 6kw charger, external heat exchangers (Vvfs.dk)
6.5 kw Solarcells (Energetica)
132m2 + 10m2 cellar, 1952 brick house, partly modernized
Denmark (Northern Jutland)
Värmebaronens Pellmax UB w. Viking Bio 20
300l buffertank, 60 Heat Pipes, 6kw charger, external heat exchangers (Vvfs.dk)
6.5 kw Solarcells (Energetica)
132m2 + 10m2 cellar, 1952 brick house, partly modernized
Re: Time delayed start
Feel free to answer in Swedish by the way. I understand and read the language reasonably well.
Regards from Nemo
Denmark (Northern Jutland)
Värmebaronens Pellmax UB w. Viking Bio 20
300l buffertank, 60 Heat Pipes, 6kw charger, external heat exchangers (Vvfs.dk)
6.5 kw Solarcells (Energetica)
132m2 + 10m2 cellar, 1952 brick house, partly modernized
Denmark (Northern Jutland)
Värmebaronens Pellmax UB w. Viking Bio 20
300l buffertank, 60 Heat Pipes, 6kw charger, external heat exchangers (Vvfs.dk)
6.5 kw Solarcells (Energetica)
132m2 + 10m2 cellar, 1952 brick house, partly modernized
Re: Time delayed start
Ja, vi anvönder det för att få lite längre gångtider på pelletsbrännaren. När det blir kallare får man helt enkelt justera ner tiden lite, o ytterligare litr mer om det blir jättekallt. För oss är det varmvattenmängden som styr!
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Värmebaronen Star 2005 : Viking Bio : Mafa veckoförråd
Värmebaronen Star 2005 : Viking Bio : Mafa veckoförråd
Re: Time delayed start
do You have any stats - e.g. amount of water volume, how long a delay for the various temperatures?
As far as I can tell - but this is a guess - I probably won´t ever go below 40 degrees celsius before the viking bio starts heating again.
As far as I can tell - but this is a guess - I probably won´t ever go below 40 degrees celsius before the viking bio starts heating again.
Regards from Nemo
Denmark (Northern Jutland)
Värmebaronens Pellmax UB w. Viking Bio 20
300l buffertank, 60 Heat Pipes, 6kw charger, external heat exchangers (Vvfs.dk)
6.5 kw Solarcells (Energetica)
132m2 + 10m2 cellar, 1952 brick house, partly modernized
Denmark (Northern Jutland)
Värmebaronens Pellmax UB w. Viking Bio 20
300l buffertank, 60 Heat Pipes, 6kw charger, external heat exchangers (Vvfs.dk)
6.5 kw Solarcells (Energetica)
132m2 + 10m2 cellar, 1952 brick house, partly modernized
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Re: Time delayed start
Lad ikke temperaturen i kedlen gå under 60 °, då det kan forårsage kondens og korrosion i brændkammeret.
Optiburn -22, Värmebaronen Combimax 2000 UB -94, Ulma doserskruv, ack Thermia SA500B, Thermomatic CBJ, 3 ton bulkförråd
Värmer 240m²(2pl) + 90 m² källare
Värmer 240m²(2pl) + 90 m² källare
Re: Time delayed start
Jeg har fået at vide, at dette ikke er et problem sålænge den varmer op jævnligt. Min brænder slukker ved 75-76 grader og har 4-8 tændinger i døgnet i vinterhalvåret.
Manden der fortalte mig dette er forhandler af produktet, og har kørt på samme måde i 7 år uden tegn på tæring.
Manden der fortalte mig dette er forhandler af produktet, og har kørt på samme måde i 7 år uden tegn på tæring.
Regards from Nemo
Denmark (Northern Jutland)
Värmebaronens Pellmax UB w. Viking Bio 20
300l buffertank, 60 Heat Pipes, 6kw charger, external heat exchangers (Vvfs.dk)
6.5 kw Solarcells (Energetica)
132m2 + 10m2 cellar, 1952 brick house, partly modernized
Denmark (Northern Jutland)
Värmebaronens Pellmax UB w. Viking Bio 20
300l buffertank, 60 Heat Pipes, 6kw charger, external heat exchangers (Vvfs.dk)
6.5 kw Solarcells (Energetica)
132m2 + 10m2 cellar, 1952 brick house, partly modernized
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Re: Time delayed start
Det er interessant. Da jeg startede op med fyring tidlige efterår, det normalt har kørt lidt vand fra asken døren, uanset det var oliefyret, træ eller pillefyret, der stod for varmen. Måske ikke så følsomme som tidligere troet, hvis du fyre piller ved disse temperaturer.
Optiburn -22, Värmebaronen Combimax 2000 UB -94, Ulma doserskruv, ack Thermia SA500B, Thermomatic CBJ, 3 ton bulkförråd
Värmer 240m²(2pl) + 90 m² källare
Värmer 240m²(2pl) + 90 m² källare
Re: Time delayed start
Hello again
Just wrote to the dealer - he says that two major reasons allow for the pellmax ub boiler to reach lower temperatures before ignition.
1) The large amount of water relative to the boilers modest size (I would have thought it was the other way around but apparently not)
2) The core of the boiler is cast-iron which includes fluepipes
But there is a caveat. For it to work properly one most have a large water/energy storage - not only for hot water. Concrete floor heating, buffer-tank. Also he recommends this particular boiler/burner to be used in combination with either solar heating or a heatpump of sorts. Mainly due to it not being able to modulate fully and have a minimum effect of 15kW.
Just wrote to the dealer - he says that two major reasons allow for the pellmax ub boiler to reach lower temperatures before ignition.
1) The large amount of water relative to the boilers modest size (I would have thought it was the other way around but apparently not)
2) The core of the boiler is cast-iron which includes fluepipes
But there is a caveat. For it to work properly one most have a large water/energy storage - not only for hot water. Concrete floor heating, buffer-tank. Also he recommends this particular boiler/burner to be used in combination with either solar heating or a heatpump of sorts. Mainly due to it not being able to modulate fully and have a minimum effect of 15kW.
Regards from Nemo
Denmark (Northern Jutland)
Värmebaronens Pellmax UB w. Viking Bio 20
300l buffertank, 60 Heat Pipes, 6kw charger, external heat exchangers (Vvfs.dk)
6.5 kw Solarcells (Energetica)
132m2 + 10m2 cellar, 1952 brick house, partly modernized
Denmark (Northern Jutland)
Värmebaronens Pellmax UB w. Viking Bio 20
300l buffertank, 60 Heat Pipes, 6kw charger, external heat exchangers (Vvfs.dk)
6.5 kw Solarcells (Energetica)
132m2 + 10m2 cellar, 1952 brick house, partly modernized
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Re: Time delayed start
I disagree with the dealer.
A boiler with less volume heat up more quickly and therefore less risk of condensation.
I´m convinced that there is no iron in the boiler, but it is built of welded steel sheets and steel pipes.
That it requires a large volume of water to heat up, I can understand in order to obtain long running times which ensures a dry boiler.
A boiler with less volume heat up more quickly and therefore less risk of condensation.
I´m convinced that there is no iron in the boiler, but it is built of welded steel sheets and steel pipes.
That it requires a large volume of water to heat up, I can understand in order to obtain long running times which ensures a dry boiler.
Optiburn -22, Värmebaronen Combimax 2000 UB -94, Ulma doserskruv, ack Thermia SA500B, Thermomatic CBJ, 3 ton bulkförråd
Värmer 240m²(2pl) + 90 m² källare
Värmer 240m²(2pl) + 90 m² källare
Re: Time delayed start
Increase the temperature setting so that the burner will trigger a start at 70-75 degrees or so. That way you can use a long time delay and still not get too low temps before the burner actually starts.
TMV Pannan Alfa, Viking Bio, insatsrör
Re: Time delayed start
If I raise the temp to 70 it will top off at 85 cirka - that´s too high for comfort.
I think I´ll keep the settings as they are now, for as long as possible - I suspect it will become too cold for the current settings when it gets colder.
I will return when I have more experience or when the boiler is busted
I think I´ll keep the settings as they are now, for as long as possible - I suspect it will become too cold for the current settings when it gets colder.
I will return when I have more experience or when the boiler is busted
Regards from Nemo
Denmark (Northern Jutland)
Värmebaronens Pellmax UB w. Viking Bio 20
300l buffertank, 60 Heat Pipes, 6kw charger, external heat exchangers (Vvfs.dk)
6.5 kw Solarcells (Energetica)
132m2 + 10m2 cellar, 1952 brick house, partly modernized
Denmark (Northern Jutland)
Värmebaronens Pellmax UB w. Viking Bio 20
300l buffertank, 60 Heat Pipes, 6kw charger, external heat exchangers (Vvfs.dk)
6.5 kw Solarcells (Energetica)
132m2 + 10m2 cellar, 1952 brick house, partly modernized
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Re: Time delayed start
Jag kör vår brännare på tidur sedan flera år tillbaka.
Sommartid går den bara en gång (för- och eftersäsong två gånger) per dygn för varmvattenbehovet.
Detta innebär ju att temperaturen ofta faller ner till 40° (ibland lägre ändå).
Sommartid går den bara en gång (för- och eftersäsong två gånger) per dygn för varmvattenbehovet.
Detta innebär ju att temperaturen ofta faller ner till 40° (ibland lägre ändå).
Värmebaronens Joker med Viking Bio original -03 (017A).
MAFA Miniförråd, som manuellt förses från egenbyggt bulkförråd.
Numera med säckad pellets. För tillfället SCA.
Termomatic CBJ med innegivare.
Braskamin och luft/luft Zibro SC-1235 som komplement.
MAFA Miniförråd, som manuellt förses från egenbyggt bulkförråd.
Numera med säckad pellets. För tillfället SCA.
Termomatic CBJ med innegivare.
Braskamin och luft/luft Zibro SC-1235 som komplement.
Re: Time delayed start
what kind of tidur is that - how does that work? I´m curious
Regards from Nemo
Denmark (Northern Jutland)
Värmebaronens Pellmax UB w. Viking Bio 20
300l buffertank, 60 Heat Pipes, 6kw charger, external heat exchangers (Vvfs.dk)
6.5 kw Solarcells (Energetica)
132m2 + 10m2 cellar, 1952 brick house, partly modernized
Denmark (Northern Jutland)
Värmebaronens Pellmax UB w. Viking Bio 20
300l buffertank, 60 Heat Pipes, 6kw charger, external heat exchangers (Vvfs.dk)
6.5 kw Solarcells (Energetica)
132m2 + 10m2 cellar, 1952 brick house, partly modernized
- GoForIt Pellets
- Pannrumstomte!
- Inlägg: 1904
- Blev medlem: ons 16 feb, 2005 18:00
- Ort: Skillingaryd
Re: Time delayed start
Det sitter en sådan här http://www.clasohlson.com/se/Kopplingsu ... r322197000 (som verkar ha utgått) monterad mellan termostaten (på pannan) och brännaren på driftsfasen/matningen. (Brännaren har två faser/matningar inom samma elfas. En konstant + en vid drift).
Men det bör fungera med vilket tidur som helst som kan hantera kraven.
Sommartid går brännaren bara en gång tidigt på morgonen (kan få problem med inrykning när det är riktigt varmt ute). Sedan har vi varmvatten hela dagen, och acceptabelt duschvatten även på kvällen.
Med nuvarande mycket låga elpriser (i Sverige.. Vad betalar ni i Danmark?) är det dock tveksamt om det lönar sig att köra med pellets för varmvattenbehovet. Samtidigt så aviseras höjda nätavgifter på el.
Men det bör fungera med vilket tidur som helst som kan hantera kraven.
Sommartid går brännaren bara en gång tidigt på morgonen (kan få problem med inrykning när det är riktigt varmt ute). Sedan har vi varmvatten hela dagen, och acceptabelt duschvatten även på kvällen.
Med nuvarande mycket låga elpriser (i Sverige.. Vad betalar ni i Danmark?) är det dock tveksamt om det lönar sig att köra med pellets för varmvattenbehovet. Samtidigt så aviseras höjda nätavgifter på el.
Värmebaronens Joker med Viking Bio original -03 (017A).
MAFA Miniförråd, som manuellt förses från egenbyggt bulkförråd.
Numera med säckad pellets. För tillfället SCA.
Termomatic CBJ med innegivare.
Braskamin och luft/luft Zibro SC-1235 som komplement.
MAFA Miniförråd, som manuellt förses från egenbyggt bulkförråd.
Numera med säckad pellets. För tillfället SCA.
Termomatic CBJ med innegivare.
Braskamin och luft/luft Zibro SC-1235 som komplement.
Re: Time delayed start
ah I see, that seems do-able for me. Thank You for sharing.
El-priserne i DK er pt cirka 2 dkr pr. kWh. However as I have solar panels/cells and solar heating it doesn´t really concern me - the boiler is completely shut down from 15/4 to 15/10.
The delayed start is still helpfull though esp. here in the milder weather.
El-priserne i DK er pt cirka 2 dkr pr. kWh. However as I have solar panels/cells and solar heating it doesn´t really concern me - the boiler is completely shut down from 15/4 to 15/10.
The delayed start is still helpfull though esp. here in the milder weather.
Regards from Nemo
Denmark (Northern Jutland)
Värmebaronens Pellmax UB w. Viking Bio 20
300l buffertank, 60 Heat Pipes, 6kw charger, external heat exchangers (Vvfs.dk)
6.5 kw Solarcells (Energetica)
132m2 + 10m2 cellar, 1952 brick house, partly modernized
Denmark (Northern Jutland)
Värmebaronens Pellmax UB w. Viking Bio 20
300l buffertank, 60 Heat Pipes, 6kw charger, external heat exchangers (Vvfs.dk)
6.5 kw Solarcells (Energetica)
132m2 + 10m2 cellar, 1952 brick house, partly modernized